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hello and welcome to the show

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i'm on a new computer in this show so

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hopefully everything will be working

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just hunky dory um our guest

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this evening had a very strange

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encounter i heard him on another show

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and decided i'd reach out to him it was

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out at sea and it's bizarre the things

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that happened to him

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we're going to bring him in in just a

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we have uh we have neb

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welcome to the show good evening martin

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thank you very much for inviting me to

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your show

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yeah yeah welcome yeah listening

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for a while oh you have been listening

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to shows yeah

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yeah sure you got some excellent uh

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celebrities and uh

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very well knowledgeable people in the

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field yeah

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whatever knowledge we can possibly have

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right um

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so if you would give your your

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background and um

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before this encounter even happened did

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you ever

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well in my childhood i had a strange

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nighttime experience

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which for a number of years i could not

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really explain or connected to the

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phenomenon in any way

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this happened in 1967

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in a country of croatia former

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yugoslavia where i was a child by the

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way i was born in belgrade serbia

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and uh as a baby my parents moved to

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bosnia a little town called

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and around 1965 my family my father

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we moved to zadar croatia this is where

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until immigrating to united states in

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during the regime of tito joseph bros

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tito

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communism so uh yeah

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once night in the summertime i can't

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recall uh a month or whenever

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i know it was summer i was sleeping with

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my father in a bedroom

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there was uh only us and his mother my

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grandmother

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in her own bedroom and for some strange

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reason i i walk up and i

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uh see myself sitting on a on the edge

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of a bed

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my father is snoring away and

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i don't know why why i'm up but i see

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this little uh

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figure it was shorter than me i was only

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eight years old at the time

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but quite short a four foot eight or

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something like a four foot nine

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and this thing uh woke up right right

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next to me

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and he kept looking at me i seen this

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dark liquidy black eyes and it's like

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seems

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seemed to be uh knowing everything about

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me and

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i had to follow it for some reason and

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started doing the strange

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dance up and down arms and uh next thing

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i know boom

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uh my next memory i'm in this little

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closet right next to bed it was a small

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bedroom

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and i can feel myself

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digging through the clothes and things

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are falling on me uh

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pants shoes belts whatever was saying in

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there was falling on me

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and my father woke up and uh asked me

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you know he held my shoulder and said

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what are you doing in that closet you

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know what what are you doing you sleep

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walking [\h__\h]

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dad i'm looking for those eyes that's

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all i remember

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and for for decades i had no no way of

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knowing if this was a

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real or what a bad dream he told me was

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a bad dream

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second experience like that i had

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following his death

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in buffalo new york where i lived for

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five years after detroit was the first

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town where we

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moved in 1973 and then uh i had another

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strange night experience like that in a

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in a house uh this one was uh

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again uh sleep paralysis

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and the house was an old stop

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style like wooden house like in buffalos

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they have you know with

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two stories it was a little balcony it

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was in the middle of a winter

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and my bed was facing a door

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balcony door with a window with venetian

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and i'm waking up and i can't move i'm

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paralyzed and i see these uh

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two long clothes your fingers like going

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and there was two yellows

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eyes staring at me and i freaked off i

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finally woke up and i screamed and

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something ran towards me

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i heard some kind of staccato

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vocalization something very quick little

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footsteps or something then he was going

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i woke up and

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i was petrified i mean i uh turned all

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the lights on the house so there was a

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nobody there not some phantom and uh for

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1980s i think that's where communion

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came out with chris rieber's communion

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and i i saw that uh i saw that face and

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i own a book and i

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absolutely had to buy that book and

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believe it or not i couldn't finish

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reading it

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oh really let's throw it out i threw it

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away i didn't want it

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i didn't even want the book near me

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i bought the second book and many years

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later subsequently i finished reading it

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so at that time during most of my life

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before this actual experiences

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i had no way of knowing what it is i

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read a few books i read

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watched a few shows i watched the

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encounters of a third kind

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with jacques volley in your background

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so it was a fascinating story maybe it

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is maybe it isn't uh who knows you know

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it's something

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science fiction maybe i i had no idea

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until these events happen in the

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year 2000 yeah so yeah so let's talk

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about that

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um you how did how did this whole

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this whole sailing trip come about and

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and to begin with what was the adventure

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that you set out to do well zadar in

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croatia

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is on dalmatian coast adriatic coast

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and my father in the 60s he had a little

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motorboat

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it was a fantastic

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childhood couple years that i remember

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being on a boat so i

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really got to love for the ocean love

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for the sea

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and after my schooling which i finished

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in buffalo for commercial art

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i always had the desire to somehow to be

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an adventurist

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you know i read many books about sailors

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columbus magellan

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expeditions around the world first sale

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many other individual sailors going

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places so it was something that you know

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they walked the memory of the childhood

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and desire to

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uh to get out of a mundane life and go

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go out hit the sea you know something

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see the islands explore places so uh

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in 1981 i moved to phoenix arizona okay

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and uh california was very nearby so i

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used to go to a

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short trip to san diego and i see all

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of jealous of people

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setting up sail and cruising at bay and

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you know you can see them out there in

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the open ocean

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so uh said i i i got to get a boat man

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this is

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one of these years i'm gonna have to do

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it get a i don't care what size it is as

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long as it's a you know nice looking

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little boat

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i'll do it so i saved up some money

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and then in 1989 i bought my first boat

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which i named after my father a little

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canadian slope

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26 footer it was called royal

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and i uh you know practiced sailing

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around the bay i

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was afraid a number of times you know

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there was a couple of storms that

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happened in between

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and uh but slowly or surely i i

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gather up all my equipment i bought the

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chains the

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the anchors what not and i was almost

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ready and i had a person

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that wanted to go sailing with me and

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somehow this idea of going to hawaii

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right away i mean that got spawned

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and uh anybody else who i talked to uh

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all this

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uh yeah i was just gonna say where did

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you depart where were you

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oh i'm departing from san diego i'm

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talking about my first boat

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yeah yeah i got i got i got uh-huh yeah

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and uh well all the old

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old sailors told me you know learn

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something more go to mexico you know

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don't go

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into the ocean alone or even with

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somebody else it's too far you know

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don't go to hawaii

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it's a big trip so i said well i don't

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know i think about it so i thought about

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anyway so me and my friend

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we took off we took him from los

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cronaros islands right off the off to

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san diego

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we left for a three-day trip into the

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open ocean

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and i i kind of got started swallowing

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apples you know what am i doing

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is this the right thing to do you know

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it's a huge ocean out here you know i

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don't know

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you know okay whatever you say you're

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the captain so

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if you turn around and you came back to

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san diego within a week or so the guy

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was gone

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and i couldn't find anybody to help me

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and uh hurricane season was upon us

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right you know coming coming along and i

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was wasting my supplies and said you

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know

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i want to do it let's forget let's do it

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so i took off again from coronados and i

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took off from hawaii from san diego

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and uh this took 52 days

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and i ship wrecked on the wrong island i

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was shooting from maui

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and i hit the big island of hawaii

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southernmost by mistake i made one

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degree

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navigational mistake going only by

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little plastic sextant

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probably probably hit the rocks and i

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would say by the

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u.s marines want to see that helicopter

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please

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yeah so a couple years later i bought a

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second boat i didn't take that one

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anywhere just live down in san diego for

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and then in 1998

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i i bought my last boat called it after

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my mother mira

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and this is where this is the boat in

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which these experiences

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and sightings took place on

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i was accompanied by a good friend whom

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i met in 1997

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a year or so prior to the purchase of

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the boat

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a navajo fellow donald begay he's from

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small town in northeastern

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arizona on the reservation called lukach

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he was fascinated and i heard my sailing

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stories i

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read some newspaper articles

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after my misfortune that came came about

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and he wanted to accompany me so i we

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went to san diego and

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he lived on the boat for a while and i i

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trained him

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he became quite a good sailor so

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in the in this in the fall of

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99 we took the boat down a coast to baja

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from san diego and checked it ensenada

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and made it all the way to the port of

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la paz this this

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journey took 47 days it was fantastic

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cruise i mean we stopped

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cedros island finally made it to la paz

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and this is

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from la paz capital of baja this is

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where these

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ufo experiences will start uh in april

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um we left the boat

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in in la paz for the winter around

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christmas season and

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donald left i secured a boat within

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about 10 days or so i i came back to

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phoenix and we spent

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christmas and new year's and uh

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i believe month or so i don't really

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remember right now

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how long but we made it back to uh

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we made it back to la paz together we

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took a bus down from san diego

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we made it back to la paz in

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sometimes in march of 2000

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and went to a two-week cruise to the

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island nearby

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um espirito santo

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it was fantastic came back and uh

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continued with preparations on and on

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april 8th of 2000 this is where we

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decided to go for hawaii and we actually

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the next next evening

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disability experiences started

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we were slowly sailing along the baja

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coast

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towards cabo san lucas we were

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the initial plan was to to stop in kabul

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and look look us for a couple of days

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and rest up a little bit

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on anchor and then take a take a hike to

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take a sail to all the way to big island

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but this time i had a gps

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far easier to find your find your

350
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location which came in really handy for

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for marking all these uh

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sightings uh

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so uh we're slowly slowly sailing very

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very little wind and the weather was

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pretty good you know spotty clouds

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we were south of uh isla ceraldo which

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is about

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one third of the way from la paz towards

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cabo san lucas you know you have to

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circumnavigate the peninsula

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donald was asleep he was late at night

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and he was asleep i was sitting outside

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slowly steering the boat

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slacking off you know the motor was off

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uh and i kept looking up i was kind of

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dozing off and hunched hunchback on my

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water carrying bladders

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we took a lot of extra water with us and

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i i and within this cloud i keep seeing

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these

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flashes it will come off

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come on come off come on and there was

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no rain there

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it was not lightning and i more or less

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expected to see a

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jetliner leaving the cloud you know

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going towards uh maybe it was a

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a flight from la paz to mazatlan but

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that never happened it was just the one

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the one location of the cloud that just

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kept happening not lightning

382
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very unusual but you know not seeing

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anything i

384
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didn't give it much thought you know

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morning came

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and don was about ready to uh

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take over your father we don't really

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left at

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that position you know maybe maybe 20

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miles or so i don't know

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right now and uh he finished breakfast

392
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and he was washing dishes and i i looked

393
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at i was still outside in the cockpit

394
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i looked up and uh i see this uh

395
00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:03,440
chrome sphere standing over us way up

396
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nothing else though baja is pretty

397
00:16:07,269 --> 00:16:06,800
desolate southern baja if you ever been

398
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there

399
00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:10,800
helicopters you will see a

400
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jetliner maybe you go into la paz or you

401
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:15,040
know but it would be north of you

402
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:18,639
uh chrome sphere

403
00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:21,360
and i more or less rub my eyes you know

404
00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:22,639
watch that by the time i

405
00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:24,399
it would seem to be surrounded by some

406
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kind of a little cloud little cloudlet

407
00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:29,600
but i looked looked back and it was gone

408
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:31,120
what the cloudlet and the spear were

409
00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:32,000
going

410
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so this is a little bit odd you know i

411
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:35,759
told don he just looked at me saying you

412
00:16:39,670 --> 00:16:37,600
know what we should start the engine now

413
00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:39,680
it's a good time to take off say okay

414
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let's start the engine yes i agree

415
00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:46,079
and then uh later on that afternoon

416
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in the area of cabo pulmo

417
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:52,399
cabo puma a very nice uh right now i

418
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:53,360
think there's a

419
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:55,360
resort of some kind over there very

420
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:56,720
small fishing village

421
00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:58,880
very mountainous in a you know in the

422
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:00,560
background

423
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i almost bought two i see this uh

424
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orangish

425
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:07,120
reddish object elongated just came

426
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:08,720
behind the mountains and it kind of like

427
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:11,199
a very jerky superb emotion

428
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:15,439
it started uh it overflowed the area and

429
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:16,240
flew back

430
00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:17,839
you know it was like a very very strange

431
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:20,079
looking flight but uh

432
00:17:23,990 --> 00:17:22,160
i really don't know what it could have

433
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:24,000
been anthony it could have been a

434
00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:26,959
you know parasailer it could be a flight

435
00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:27,280
uh

436
00:17:32,549 --> 00:17:30,640
kudos playing helicopter i i don't know

437
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:32,559
so i really can't pinpoint this one as

438
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:34,000
being a ufo but

439
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:37,200
it was rather strange so nothing

440
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:38,880
happened for for next two days other

441
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:39,520
than we got

442
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:43,039
caught in a storm uh near cabo salukas

443
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:43,520
as

444
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:45,280
you know when you're sailing near the

445
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:46,880
capes uh

446
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:49,280
you have the currents that hit each

447
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:50,080
other in the

448
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:53,200
wind change of the mountains and

449
00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:55,919
capes are usually very stormy so we got

450
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:58,400
caught in a gale maybe between 40 to 50

451
00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:59,200
knots

452
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:01,840
all night long i mean it was a very very

453
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,679
it was a wake-up call you know

454
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,200
when you're sitting at the aquifer for

455
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:07,520
months you kind of get lazy you lose

456
00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:08,960
your sea legs and this will

457
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:11,679
this will bring the fear fear into your

458
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:12,640
spine you know

459
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,679
yeah all night long so we got blown away

460
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:17,280
maybe 30 miles uh

461
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:19,440
after off to cabo and i could still see

462
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:21,039
a cowboy in the distance and you know

463
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:21,600
say let's

464
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:23,600
let's just forget about cowboy let's

465
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:25,280
let's let's take off uh

466
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,960
let's follow the bitter pill and let's

467
00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:28,480
let's go to hawaii you know

468
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:30,400
since we this is already our mission

469
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:32,320
maybe we'll get there in a month or so

470
00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:35,840
so okay okay so

471
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:40,160
that's where we took off and uh

472
00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:43,280
first day out first night out first day

473
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:45,200
uh i talked to american ship

474
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,559
there was a freighter going from panama

475
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:50,320
towards los angeles some place and i

476
00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:52,000
talked to the captain he gave us a good

477
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:52,559
weathering

478
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:54,960
information said weather looks good you

479
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:56,400
guys are doing just fine you know it'd

480
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:57,200
be fine

481
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:00,160
that night the first night out uh we

482
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,240
were approached by a mexican frigate

483
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,799
at night he just sneaked up on us and uh

484
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,400
demanded uh demanding

485
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:08,080
identification who are you where are you

486
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,880
going so he's speaking perfect english

487
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:12,559
so i gave my name give him the boat's

488
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:14,160
name mira

489
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,280
all my numbers passport numbers and said

490
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:19,679
yeah we're going to hawaii

491
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:21,440
have you seen a yellow boat be looking

492
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:23,440
for this yellow boat and i said no we

493
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:25,600
haven't seen anything

494
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:27,760
so he let us go in the left there could

495
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:29,520
have been an excuse you know for uh for

496
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,160
uh approaching us so that's it it was

497
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:33,760
the last uh

498
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:37,200
last uh site of any kind of shipping

499
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,960
there was one ship i think i've seen in

500
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,240
the distance

501
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:42,240
a week or so later you know some some

502
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:44,000
tanker afraid of going someplace i don't

503
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:45,760
know you could have been going north or

504
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:50,000
i don't know uh but the

505
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:53,360
very first night out after the

506
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mexican frequent leftists i believe see

507
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,799
i got all these dates

508
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,400
written in my notes which i started

509
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,799
taking after a third sighting

510
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,400
after third sighting or so out in the

511
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:06,480
open ocean i decided to keep

512
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:09,440
a log because my mind was already blown

513
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,159
i mean you know

514
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:11,840
something's going on you know when you

515
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,960
see it like the chrome sphere or

516
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,640
lightning you know you don't know what

517
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:18,240
to think you know maybe it's my eyes

518
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:24,470
i don't know first night out

519
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:27,600
again very late at night donald's

520
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,240
sleeping it was pretty clear

521
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:32,400
and a little bit chilly it gets cold

522
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,720
even though you're in a tropical cancer

523
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,440
it gets cold at night you know you got

524
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,440
to have your park on and

525
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,679
oil skins and we had little black caps

526
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:43,760
that that i bought at

527
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,480
one of the marine channelers in san

528
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,159
diego so we were pretty pretty well

529
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:50,480
equipped we had a little radio

530
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,000
uh vhf radio and we had an epirb in case

531
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:56,720
of emergency you know if he sank or

532
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,520
somebody had a medical problem or fire

533
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,480
or something

534
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,360
you call and the april will the signal

535
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:05,360
will be activated and the satellites can

536
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,200
hear it and they can zero in on you

537
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:09,520
report this to the coast guard or navy

538
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,559
whoever

539
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,880
and then you can get some help you know

540
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,120
if there's some ship nearby

541
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:18,480
so i'm glad we had that this time and

542
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:22,000
of course the gps so the first night

543
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:26,559
again he's sleeping and i'm out

544
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:30,159
i it was around midnight

545
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,200
i got the time written down uh

546
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:35,200
all of a sudden i way up in the sky i

547
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:37,039
see this green neon light

548
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:45,830
flying in a straight trajectory that he

549
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:47,120
started hopping around

550
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:50,640
like three little hops it was blinking

551
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,440
blink blink blink

552
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:53,760
and he you entered one cloud and he was

553
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,559
gone

554
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,039
i said oh this is a this is a little bit

555
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,039
unusual here

556
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,159
what's this i told don about it you know

557
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:05,280
you just looked at me you know

558
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:09,120
don he was about 30 32 years old at that

559
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:09,840
time you know

560
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,120
he is a pretty pretty decent individual

561
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,400
very quiet there's not much of a talker

562
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,960
and uh now can i just interrupt for a

563
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,000
sec

564
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:22,240
so yeah it sounds to me like you were

565
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,600
taking shifts like

566
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,600
you'd be up in the night during the

567
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,360
night and then he would

568
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,440
uh pilot the boat during the day is that

569
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:31,600
kind of how that went

570
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,080
yeah we had a soft steering gear and a

571
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,480
wire wire on it broke so we already

572
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,679
knew you know we couldn't so you had

573
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,159
self steer

574
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,480
ships anywhere between two to three four

575
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:44,240
hours sometimes even eight hours

576
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,360
depending

577
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:47,840
how how well you felt you know uh you

578
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:48,480
know

579
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,159
you're up to it and usually

580
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,400
usually after five days or so we were

581
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,159
both so tired but nobody could

582
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,960
uh steer anymore we just went below and

583
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:00,080
passed out

584
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,600
he left the boat in the heave to

585
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:03,520
position which back when

586
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,480
you back when the the jib and uh the

587
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:08,880
boat kind of stops actually the divinity

588
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,280
is

589
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,360
the more stable you are and you're

590
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,840
slowly drifting you you can estimate

591
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,000
your your speed maybe at the half a knot

592
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,440
130 or not

593
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:20,000
and you know you can sleep 11 hours as

594
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,360
long there's no shipping nothing to hit

595
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,720
you you're perfectly safe

596
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,720
you're much safer in the open open ocean

597
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:26,080
than uh than

598
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,600
doing a coastal cruising you know where

599
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:29,840
there's boats you're fishing vessels or

600
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:32,559
sure you know you're much safer out

601
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,280
there

602
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,799
no chance you're gonna hit anything you

603
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,400
know so we slept

604
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,000
and then in the morning you can just see

605
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,159
how far you drifted and uh oh okay you

606
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,000
get back into your line of position

607
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,600
you have to draw a line of position if

608
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:45,679
you're sailing between baja met

609
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:48,559
or hawaii anywhere else and then you you

610
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,279
are

611
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,440
you oscillate you know a couple of days

612
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:53,120
you're south of it and you climb north

613
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,480
just to keep it in the middle you know

614
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:56,240
kind of like a zigzagging but but you

615
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:57,200
keep the aim

616
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,200
up front right 270 270 west

617
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,880
i didn't mean to get way off the ufo

618
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:04,640
topic so

619
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:07,919
so we can continue so yeah

620
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,240
and uh so i the reason i asked that

621
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:11,760
question i just wondered if he was

622
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,480
out during the night as well and and uh

623
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:16,240
but you're probably gonna tell us uh

624
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,640
you know what he saw eventually

625
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,799
what we saw was next uh the following

626
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,400
night

627
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,799
uh again both of us were in a cockpit

628
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,240
this time

629
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,360
and uh again about the same time

630
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,960
i look up you see this seems to be

631
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,480
happening right in the direction of your

632
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,400
of your uh

633
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,760
of your sight you know but you're

634
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,679
looking it's not happening behind you or

635
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:41,200
a top for you it's happening just where

636
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,000
you're looking

637
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,559
almost like to attract your attract to

638
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:45,440
attract that

639
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,799
attention to itself you know again this

640
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:49,919
green blinker

641
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,799
arrived and uh it was hopping around

642
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,480
like it was looking for something like

643
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:56,720
you could see what one one flash blink

644
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:57,919
they would blink on the other part of

645
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,480
the sky

646
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:00,640
blink blink blink rockets circling us

647
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:01,760
looking for something

648
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:04,960
what the hell is this and then it it

649
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,640
uh it climbed right above us maybe 80

650
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:10,240
degrees

651
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:13,840
above and it stopped

652
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:16,960
then what happened next it just buried

653
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,279
forever any any kind of a question in my

654
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,360
mind or his mind

655
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,760
that this was anything else other than

656
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:25,679
something completely unknown

657
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:29,200
actual ufo from that from from stopping

658
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:32,240
where he stopped it made a 360 degree

659
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:32,960
loop

660
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:36,480
very quickly and he shot straight up

661
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,520
into the space

662
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:39,760
leaving a yellow trail behind it i'm out

663
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,120
of here to pop

664
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,880
and he was gone but this time he looked

665
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,120
at each other don

666
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,919
this is not from here this this is uh

667
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,200
why is this happening and

668
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,200
it's the second time third time you're

669
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,760
seeing this uh what's going on here

670
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,600
he couldn't give me any answer he looked

671
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,760
at me he said i don't know what happened

672
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,919
so at this point people vote like you

673
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:01,440
know but you got to keep going there's

674
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,559
no going back you know

675
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,640
when you're going to go back and tell

676
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:06,640
people i i saw your phone

677
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,159
i'm scared to go now

678
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:12,480
there's no going back there's no air

679
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:13,200
traffic

680
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:16,799
there's nothing to explain it you see

681
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,600
uh out in the ocean there are no police

682
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:21,120
lights there are no

683
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:23,600
fireworks that there are no flares there

684
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:24,320
no

685
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,919
sometimes you see a plane very rarely

686
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,919
you see but usually airplane usually you

687
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,960
can see the

688
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:33,120
controls that they leave you know high

689
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,320
above maybe

690
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,840
especially from that area there's

691
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:37,679
nothing flying there

692
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,480
except maybe from lax to tahiti there

693
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:41,919
was a flight going

694
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:46,320
to uh uh other than that

695
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,679
they would not be on your on your

696
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,080
trajectory yeah of course satellites

697
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,000
satellites come up about nine o'clock

698
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,640
and you you see it it goes behind it

699
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:56,880
behind a shadow of earth and it's

700
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,880
you know it's gone it's a great

701
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,919
trajectory

702
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:02,159
yeah these things were hopping around

703
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:03,279
breaking out but

704
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:06,480
it was something amazing

705
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:09,679
this last one that we saw was fantastic

706
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,360
then the following night this is when a

707
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,080
real funny one happened again this this

708
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,159
blinker returns only only this time it

709
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,960
was a red color

710
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:23,120
it came up it was it was green it was

711
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:24,320
green before

712
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:27,279
was it green the the the previous night

713
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,840
or was

714
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:29,440
what i don't remember you just saying a

715
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:32,720
color of what you saw the last

716
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:36,880
very bright neon green on two

717
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,799
on two occasions the first night in the

718
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,360
second night right since that was a

719
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:44,159
hopper the second night was a three

720
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:46,840
tango sixty degree loop

721
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:49,840
yeah a little earlier this evening

722
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,480
in the evening uh this time it was red

723
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:54,480
again blink blink blink and it was

724
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:55,279
falling

725
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:02,080
uh flying it would stop and just kind of

726
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:03,520
like a

727
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,279
flitter down and uh again

728
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,159
uh flying towards us and he stopped in

729
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:11,520
the distance

730
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,960
he was just standing there in a haze

731
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,520
and uh this time you know what what the

732
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:18,640
hell is this so you know

733
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:22,159
what do i do i brought the binoculars

734
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:22,640
out

735
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:25,039
i tried to record it we had a little

736
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,240
camera

737
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:29,279
uh old rca type of uh

738
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,799
a vcr recorder you

739
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,480
actually put the tape in there you know

740
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,320
you slap it in there and

741
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,399
it was very unwieldy type of camera and

742
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:39,919
especially with the boats moving with

743
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,720
the waves

744
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,960
it was very hard to capture anything so

745
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:44,480
i tried that but nothing came in the

746
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,520
viewfinder i

747
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,200
grabbed the binoculars and it was red

748
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,360
just sitting there so what do i do now

749
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:50,880
you know what why is this stick looking

750
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,000
at us

751
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,799
so would you if you had to if you had to

752
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:56,640
guess how far away it was

753
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,919
do you have any idea how far away it was

754
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:02,480
from you well over well over a mile

755
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,279
uh-huh

756
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:05,520
yeah well overall it was basically on

757
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:12,389
you must well yeah to the closer the

758
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,200
horizon

759
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,360
yeah i see another show away from you

760
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:17,760
you see see i don't know the size of it

761
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,520
it's very hard to determine how big it

762
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:21,440
was maybe it was something small

763
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,559
medium size 20 feet wide i i had no way

764
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,320
of knowing how big it

765
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:29,520
how big that thing is so i uh

766
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,440
i got on the radio channel 16 which is a

767
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,760
hailing frequency ship to ship or ship

768
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:38,000
to coast or coast guard whoever

769
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,720
and i uh got a radio and i called them

770
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,880
hello hello hello this is sailing vessel

771
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:45,919
mira

772
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,799
please identify yourself who are you

773
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,679
what do you want

774
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:52,000
you know do you have any questions you

775
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,600
want to talk

776
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,919
so i no answer and i tried a little

777
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,200
spanish on you

778
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,279
nothing a little bit of russian servo

779
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:01,039
creation nothing

780
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,039
so don tried to navajo no response

781
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:07,600
all of a sudden this thing started

782
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,480
moving

783
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,120
and it slowly drifted away never to be

784
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,880
seen

785
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,880
so we had a couple of distance sightings

786
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,200
like that all the way to hawaii

787
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:20,159
wow this is a question you can see it

788
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:21,360
actually you said you couldn't see

789
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:22,080
anything

790
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,679
there uh so uh richard was wondering

791
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,320
if you could see the water was lit up

792
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:31,679
underneath it did you ever see that

793
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:35,039
did it light the water up no no no

794
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:39,440
it was much higher in a sky i see okay

795
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:42,799
no reflection okay all right

796
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,880
so continue on so the voice continues

797
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,960
and this is where i started uh keeping

798
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:50,080
notes you know

799
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:53,840
i got a whole specialized little book

800
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,399
that i you know i kept the boating

801
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,640
you know sailing sailing log you know

802
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,840
what we ate where we

803
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:02,640
are what's going on the memories from

804
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,360
that day

805
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:06,159
just to keep a record of our trip yeah

806
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,880
so uh

807
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,880
after these few sightings and i said i i

808
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:10,880
need to uh try to remember as much as i

809
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:11,519
can

810
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:14,240
and try putting these things in a paper

811
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,880
so i

812
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,279
i recalled all the gps positions where

813
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:18,799
these things happen

814
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,080
and little drawings i made sometimes

815
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:23,919
colored if i could

816
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,279
you use green and red color you know

817
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:30,000
just to otherwise that would be totally

818
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,679
i would totally forget it i'm forgetting

819
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,279
things right now after 20 years

820
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,720
it's very hard to remember where you

821
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,640
were at what happened exactly

822
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:39,120
you know if you had one time one time

823
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,399
sighting

824
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:41,919
uh especially if it's something

825
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:44,399
spectacular it will etch into your mind

826
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,039
and you know

827
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,840
you can uh you can you can develop on it

828
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:49,279
talk about it uh you know

829
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,279
uh explore it uh measure

830
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,519
on land you know with these things it's

831
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:57,039
very easy to forget

832
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,640
so i i knew this is something unusual uh

833
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,559
very anomalous and i i gotta start

834
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:03,760
keeping these uh

835
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:06,720
the notes so we had couple other

836
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,519
sightings a distant type sightings

837
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:12,559
except one maybe a week or so

838
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,399
later see this voyage from la paz

839
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:19,120
to heal over me landed took 35 days

840
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:20,320
altogether

841
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,600
a little faster than my my first trip

842
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:26,000
by the way this was a 29-footer it was

843
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:27,279
an old

844
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:30,559
columbia defender deep keel boat i

845
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,840
made it very seawardy so you know

846
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,519
well supplied she moved pretty good you

847
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,880
know but small boat

848
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:39,279
takes itself slower than large yachts

849
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,000
actually

850
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,480
we were passed by one boat one sailboat

851
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,679
in the middle of the ocean

852
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,760
called giselle and we talked to the

853
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:47,840
radio they had a ham radio and they

854
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,519
conveyed my message from uh messaged

855
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,279
back home to my mother that we were okay

856
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:54,880
not to worry and all that so

857
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,080
they left they left mexic they left

858
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,159
mexico a couple of days

859
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,840
behind us in the past us and they made

860
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:03,760
it to hawaii maybe a week

861
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,440
before i was jealous but yeah

862
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,200
a little boat with two people you were a

863
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,200
single person you know you gotta sleep

864
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,760
he's just a slow slow slogging you know

865
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:15,440
the weather is good

866
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,200
so uh uh other anomalous sighting

867
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:22,480
that that we both saw happen in the

868
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:23,039
evening

869
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,559
this wasn't a night sighting it was

870
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:26,640
still some sunlight out

871
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,760
uh there was some some wind earlier last

872
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:31,279
few couple of days and you can see the

873
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:32,320
clouds you know a

874
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,600
huge weather front was moving and

875
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,519
the clouds were torn up you know when

876
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:39,120
you in the ocean once you enter the

877
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,480
trades

878
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,720
the skies change you know you you you

879
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,840
almost look like you're

880
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:46,240
somewhere someplace in jupiter you know

881
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:47,519
a white puffy atomic

882
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,640
bomb look in the column uh

883
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:53,519
columns of clouds uh what's the name of

884
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:54,320
those uh

885
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,039
castellanos castellanos clouds

886
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,000
and right on top of this huge bag of

887
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:05,120
clouds there was a small cloudlet

888
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,720
uh drifting along along with them by the

889
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,919
top

890
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,520
and i was looking that's a strange

891
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,760
looking little cloudlet

892
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,520
it was kind of boomerang shaped like a

893
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:17,440
sausage you know but very smoke in

894
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,320
comparison no

895
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,879
there were no other such cloudless above

896
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,800
this was the only one

897
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,280
i see this little yellow light come out

898
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,869
small yellow light just like a you know

899
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,480
very lazy balloon-like

900
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,560
fashion and it just flew out of that

901
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,599
sausage

902
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,000
and very soon there was a second light

903
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:40,320
and it flew away someplace following the

904
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:41,679
first one

905
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:45,040
and then the cloud let the sausage cloud

906
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,480
let turn around

907
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:49,200
and it slowly drifted away against the

908
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,399
wind

909
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,879
it went behind the other other the huge

910
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,879
back of the regular clouds

911
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,680
was below it so i said this is this is

912
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:58,960
really anomalous uh

913
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:01,920
don this uh it just blew my mind again

914
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:02,720
you know what

915
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,790
maybe an a night before entering the

916
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,720
waters of hawaii close to hilo we

917
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,720
already knew where we where we were

918
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,040
there was a lot very bright flash in the

919
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:19,359
sky it was almost like saying goodbye

920
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:22,800
and we finally made it to hilo after 35

921
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,030
and let me just say before you before

922
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,560
you move on i just wanted

923
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:31,200
how was dawn's reaction you said he's

924
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:32,240
very quiet

925
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,160
or did he chime in and

926
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,960
and tell you what what he his thoughts

927
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:39,760
about it well

928
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,510
oh you're just mostly like i don't know

929
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:47,040
you know it was very it was like almost

930
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,240
half scared you know

931
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,720
i i don't know this is uh i really have

932
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,240
no no answers you know

933
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,640
what do you think so so i read something

934
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:56,880
about ufos i watch few movies you know

935
00:36:05,430 --> 00:35:57,200
this

936
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:05,440
not an aircraft of any

937
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,800
any kind not a balloon um

938
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,560
so we were both flabbergasted what it

939
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,240
could be you know

940
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,880
why why why is it happening you know he

941
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,160
he told me hira

942
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:18,320
he had some kind of experience in in his

943
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,520
youth he was driving

944
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,079
in the yamaha reservation and he saw

945
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,760
something rather column of red lights

946
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:24,800
very highway here

947
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,400
you know this is the only thing he could

948
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,400
help it you know we were both uh totally

949
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:31,920
confused you know

950
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:34,640
but the second sighting and the red one

951
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:35,440
this is where it

952
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,640
is etched in my mind i mean it's totally

953
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,280
everything else you can tell me anybody

954
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:42,640
can tell me maybe you didn't know you

955
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,119
know

956
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,839
there's no ufos there's no such thing

957
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:46,720
it's a lie

958
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:49,760
you know they are here it's

959
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,079
it's real so uh

960
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:56,320
we entered the port of hilo a little

961
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,359
area called

962
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:59,599
radio bay it's a commercial port a small

963
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:00,560
commercial port

964
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:04,079
there's some hotels in in the area and a

965
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:04,560
small

966
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:08,640
there

967
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,920
and we had to uh we had to check in

968
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,760
with the authorities even even though

969
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,280
your american boat you're coming from

970
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:17,920
mexico you got to check in to do the

971
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,760
formalities customs and

972
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:24,320
it was a very very simple thing to do so

973
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,800
by the

974
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,800
third day or so after we ate something

975
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:28,960
we need to regain our lands

976
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,839
land legs back you know that done i i

977
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,440
kind of knew what to expect you know

978
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,200
after you let's see for a number of

979
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,839
weeks you know you get on a

980
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:39,520
firm ground you can't walk you when

981
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,720
you're walking around like a drunk you

982
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,800
know so people are laughing at us

983
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,560
poor thing it was it was falling all

984
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:46,079
over the place you know

985
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,000
yeah so you're so glad to see that so uh

986
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,240
i uh i decided to do something about

987
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:54,800
these sightings since i already had a

988
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,520
number of notes compiled here in the log

989
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,119
drawings and some video

990
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,280
i i they were very there were some

991
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,760
things flashing in the sky and i really

992
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,760
see there's no background there's no

993
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,520
land or mountains or houses that you

994
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,880
could judge

995
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,720
the movement you know it was just

996
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:12,000
flashing there

997
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,800
so but at least i had some video so i

998
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:19,760
i walked up to the police station it was

999
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:20,560
about uh

1000
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,280
four or five in the afternoon and i

1001
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:24,960
knocked in the window said yeah

1002
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,440
can i talk to somebody here uh would you

1003
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,280
know anybody who could be interested in

1004
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:30,640
uh

1005
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,200
taking a ufo report you know any person

1006
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:38,150
investigator may want to talk to me

1007
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,990
about three or three or four policemen

1008
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:45,599
they came out and they were stickering

1009
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,320
you know

1010
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,320
we never got any kind of report like

1011
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:50,320
this you know we know about some

1012
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,990
we can't help you how about if you talk

1013
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,760
to coast guard

1014
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,440
yeah that's a good idea you know coast

1015
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:01,839
guard they're in in charge of maritime

1016
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,720
matters and they patrol the area they

1017
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,400
could probably tell me something uh

1018
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:08,720
or at least to take a report better than

1019
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,599
the police

1020
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,320
so yeah good idea thank you guys i will

1021
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,960
so i i the next day i woke up to the

1022
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,359
coast guard station and they were right

1023
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:18,720
there in radio bay

1024
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,760
and almost next to us woke up to the

1025
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:23,520
office and the lady told me you know

1026
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:26,000
you need to talk to captain uh kevin j

1027
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:27,119
lopes

1028
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,560
but unfortunately they are out in the

1029
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,400
patrol right now and they will be back

1030
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:32,480
within five days or so

1031
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,839
a car named kiska it was stationed there

1032
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,040
in hilo

1033
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:39,200
so okay i can wait we'll be here maybe

1034
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,800
about two weeks or so yeah

1035
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:43,520
i'll wait no problem so finally the

1036
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,829
so the next day in about 24 hours or so

1037
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:51,680
i i don't recall the time it was

1038
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,480
afternoon

1039
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,079
i went in and they told me yes you can

1040
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:56,240
talk to captain so i boarded kiska

1041
00:40:02,790 --> 00:39:59,599
they were waiting for me uh

1042
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:02,800
captain lopes maybe in his 40s late 40s

1043
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:03,119
tall

1044
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,359
another officer there

1045
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,839
with him and whose name i can't recall

1046
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:12,000
and i didn't jot it down

1047
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,190
galley the kitchen area we sat down i

1048
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:21,680
i broke my laptop that left i didn't

1049
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:22,560
have a laptop

1050
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:25,920
i had to the camera well actually

1051
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:30,000
they had a vcrs back then yeah

1052
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:33,440
you put up for the tape to watch it on

1053
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:34,160
tv right

1054
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,680
right that's what it was so you seen the

1055
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:39,359
videos he didn't know what to tell me i

1056
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,480
didn't know what to tell him you know

1057
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,160
some flashes of lights that some lights

1058
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,760
moving around

1059
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,839
and uh he made a report he was very

1060
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,200
serious

1061
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,520
no joking no snickering uh he took the

1062
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,040
report down

1063
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:53,200
and he faxed it to the headquarters

1064
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:54,560
coast guard headquarters

1065
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:57,280
in honolulu and he gave me a copy of the

1066
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,560
report

1067
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,800
which by the way i posted in my book you

1068
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,920
can find in the book and

1069
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,599
all the other articles and it's been

1070
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:05,040
mentioned

1071
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:08,560
in the newspaper uh article about us uh

1072
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:12,400
from uh uh from the fall of 2000

1073
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,520
after our return to san francisco so

1074
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,040
that was it you know we enjoyed we

1075
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,720
enjoyed the islands we left hilo

1076
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,680
we've been to maui anchored of lahaina

1077
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,720
for a while

1078
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,440
and my initial goal was to stay in the

1079
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,280
islands for a while you know maybe work

1080
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,520
in a

1081
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,520
or else if he couldn't find a job he

1082
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,440
could leave the boat in honolulu and

1083
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:35,200
then fly back to arizona work for a

1084
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,000
while fly

1085
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:38,480
fly back to honolulu and continue to the

1086
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,359
islands maybe

1087
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:41,920
tahiti or new zealand something slowly

1088
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:42,480
sailing

1089
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:46,319
that was my pipe dream but it was not to

1090
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,720
be

1091
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,440
i found honolulu has changed just my

1092
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:50,880
first voyage

1093
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,920
far more red tape you know they put the

1094
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,359
mooring balls right now no

1095
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,280
no more free anchoring no more discs no

1096
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,359
more debt you know you got to pay

1097
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:01,760
only 90 days all these regulations were

1098
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,560
set up so

1099
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,160
i gave up an idea of staying on the

1100
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,720
islands we went back to maui

1101
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,640
stopped in lanai for a couple of days

1102
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:10,560
and went back to maui to the same spot

1103
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,040
we were at

1104
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,079
by oak lahaina and

1105
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,319
decided to make it back to san francisco

1106
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,000
which would to be a

1107
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,280
much longer voyage than coming in that

1108
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,880
inbound wage

1109
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,160
is that because of the winds and

1110
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:26,400
currents

1111
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,680
did you hear me is that because of the

1112
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,599
winds and currents

1113
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,280
well yeah you have the trades blowing

1114
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,040
and then just north of trades

1115
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:35,280
you have something called north pacific

1116
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:36,640
uh north pacific

1117
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:40,000
uh uh

1118
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,440
well i don't want to get you off track

1119
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:43,760
so yeah called

1120
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,480
north pacific patch right now it's full

1121
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:48,560
of garbage no pacific high pressure area

1122
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,599
sorry yeah

1123
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,720
uh this which is north of trades

1124
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,319
and there's very little wind there and

1125
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:55,920
it moves in the summer time it will it

1126
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,319
would

1127
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,800
move northward northward and what you

1128
00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:00,240
need to do when you're returning to san

1129
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,040
francisco

1130
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,520
we left from northernmost island kawaii

1131
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:05,119
we were on kauai about 10

1132
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,030
this you need to climb about 1000 or

1133
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:15,359
1100 miles up to 38th

1134
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:18,720
or 40th meridian parallel yeah catch the

1135
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,390
sorry to catch the kuroshio current

1136
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,920
japanese current which takes you

1137
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:27,280
straight to california or

1138
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,079
washington uh north america

1139
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,400
so we spent some time on the islands

1140
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,480
like i said in kauai it was fantastic we

1141
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,000
met a lot of people and

1142
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,000
i talked to some sailors about ufos

1143
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:42,000
anybody seen anything there look at me

1144
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:49,750
that's all i can do you know so we left

1145
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,599
we left kauai in the morning

1146
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,160
uh by late night it was the island was

1147
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,680
already going there was nothing to see

1148
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:59,040
we were still climbing the perfect

1149
00:44:02,950 --> 00:43:59,680
weather

1150
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:02,960
very nice uh nice and warm open the full

1151
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,359
sail

1152
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,440
we were slugging along just just

1153
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,960
beautifully

1154
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,359
uh on the reach you're going to reach

1155
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,119
because the wind's coming from the

1156
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:13,440
coming from the east and your reach

1157
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:20,710
fastest point of sail if you got

1158
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,680
waves behind you it's still tougher or

1159
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,280
in front of you you have to zigzag you

1160
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,839
know into the wind

1161
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:29,839
many terms i forgot after so many years

1162
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:33,599
you know very many nautical terms

1163
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:36,880
but the first night out guess what

1164
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:40,160
the objects are around us again it was

1165
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,599
almost like there something was waiting

1166
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:43,680
for us

1167
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:46,480
this time we saw two of them they would

1168
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,359
come

1169
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,960
from different directions in the sky

1170
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,960
little yellow things and just

1171
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:53,200
pass each other and sometimes they would

1172
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,119
stop and make a

1173
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,960
little circles around each other and

1174
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,560
separate and fly back

1175
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,880
in their own ways you know sometimes

1176
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:01,920
there was one one

1177
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:05,680
object and then number of days

1178
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,720
out this is where something fantastic

1179
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:15,829
i saw this light coming at us

1180
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,470
very high up and i decided to do

1181
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:19,520
something different

1182
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:23,040
i grabbed my light my reflector light

1183
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,560
search light half a million candle

1184
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,200
power lights and i've shown it directly

1185
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,480
in direction of the thing

1186
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,640
of the object coming at us and he

1187
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,240
stopped and flew back

1188
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,000
it reversed it reversed his course and

1189
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,920
there's a shot back where he came from

1190
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:40,160
wow almost like it's almost like i

1191
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:41,520
startled it

1192
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,960
huh maybe

1193
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,040
half an hour later the light is

1194
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,040
returning

1195
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,920
stops and it starts lighting up there

1196
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,240
was a large circle of light like growing

1197
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:56,079
like was like an explosion of light in a

1198
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:57,599
circular explosion

1199
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,960
and but this time i it gave me this was

1200
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,240
something that was happening

1201
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,920
not not the quick flashlight it was

1202
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:05,359
going like like a

1203
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,800
like a pie expanding i adobe wow

1204
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,520
i i dove below and i grabbed my camera

1205
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:13,119
and i was able to capture

1206
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,720
maybe 15 16 seconds of that video

1207
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,599
they contracted back to its shape to its

1208
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:20,800
original size

1209
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,670
let me ask you this you sent me a video

1210
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:28,560
is that

1211
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,400
you captured it it's just a very short

1212
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,480
like few seconds it says

1213
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:39,200
uh like orca or something like that on

1214
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:40,160
it

1215
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:43,920
what is that that was a different video

1216
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,560
this one of the expanding lights and the

1217
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,560
one the uh the short lights

1218
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,720
the these two were analyzed by mufon

1219
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:52,880
jeffrey sanyo after our return

1220
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:55,839
to arizona i sent the materials to him

1221
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:56,319
among

1222
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:00,960
other exploratory uh efforts i made

1223
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,680
uh no that one was very where the object

1224
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:06,400
disappears instantaneously

1225
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,550
instantaneous disappearances happen on

1226
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,160
three occasions

1227
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:17,119
uh but only one that i captured was in

1228
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,319
full focus

1229
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,359
enough for for uh sanyo to work with

1230
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,119
i see so we specif we've seen this

1231
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:25,599
maneuver about three times

1232
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:28,800
uh so if uh did i

1233
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,640
i i became i started thinking

1234
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,880
that this was some kind of a response to

1235
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,280
me blasting with a light earlier

1236
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:40,079
yeah it's it was almost like somebody

1237
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,880
was maybe

1238
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:43,119
inside where an object looking at you

1239
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,319
and you shine the light

1240
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,240
it starts with them and they go back

1241
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,559
they came back playfully

1242
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,720
to retaliate look i got the light too

1243
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:52,319
you know i can do the light too

1244
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:53,920
it was almost some kind of a very

1245
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,040
primitive communication going on

1246
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,079
which it actually happened too uh

1247
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,760
on a couple of occasions i exchanged

1248
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:03,520
light light signals with

1249
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:06,160
with objects they would come very high

1250
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,640
out of

1251
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,520
nowhere you know totally blacked out sky

1252
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,760
you start seeing these flashes

1253
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,359
so what i did i took my light and i

1254
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,359
started pointing

1255
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:17,440
towards where it came from two three

1256
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:18,400
four times

1257
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:20,000
one two three four one two three four

1258
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,599
and he would answer one two three four

1259
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,280
one two three four

1260
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,920
he would be gone he said wow actually

1261
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,160
communicated with ufo

1262
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:30,319
uh can i just ask you something we're

1263
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,359
losing you i

1264
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:33,040
i can only see your glasses you have a

1265
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:34,480
light that you can turn on

1266
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:42,630
how's this that's better yeah

1267
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:45,839
now we can see you too well yeah no

1268
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,230
uh yeah uh

1269
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:56,630
the closest sighting that we had

1270
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,790
uh were again late at night both of us

1271
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:04,480
were outside steering the boat

1272
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,520
we had our engine was on

1273
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,000
and i see a point of light high in the

1274
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,839
sky

1275
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:14,000
kind of going in our direction and it

1276
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:17,760
started descending coming down

1277
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,960
said uh well what is this dog

1278
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:22,960
what's go what take a look at this thing

1279
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,119
you know this is a little funny

1280
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:27,920
and he started coming closer to us

1281
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,640
actually descending and

1282
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,880
seeing some flashing lights on

1283
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:34,880
flickering lights

1284
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:42,470
this was i cannot tell you the height

1285
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,680
maybe

1286
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,079
two three thousand feet but it was

1287
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:47,760
something horseshoe shaped like a

1288
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:49,839
horseshoe flying in reverse

1289
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:57,109
at the at the nose part of it beginning

1290
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:58,559
part of it

1291
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,079
and some kind of a squarish light

1292
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,119
in its stomach perfect square

1293
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:08,319
lit up yellow lit up square and then

1294
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,000
it flew and then i could see some kind

1295
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:14,400
of a squarish light in the back

1296
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:18,880
in this tail area and area rear

1297
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:22,000
i the engine was on but i think i could

1298
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:22,960
hear some kind of

1299
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:27,359
uh some kind of a

1300
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:30,880
noise some kind of a very very muted uh

1301
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:34,480
raspy uh generator type sound

1302
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,760
from it and then within a half a minute

1303
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:39,680
or so there was another object

1304
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,079
following in in the same trajectory

1305
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:44,000
following the first one

1306
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:48,240
same shape a horseshoe with a

1307
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:51,760
square light on his stomach and a square

1308
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:52,800
light in his back

1309
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:56,240
but less maybe only two red lights

1310
00:51:02,470 --> 00:50:59,359
up front not four like the first one

1311
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:02,480
uh and then they came back so all

1312
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,200
together we

1313
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:05,359
had three overflights if you if you

1314
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:06,319
count two

1315
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,000
two crafts that says six overflights

1316
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,800
wow all right i have to i have to break

1317
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,319
in for just a second here

1318
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:16,720
uh for those of you on youtube uh hang

1319
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:17,359
in

1320
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:20,720
uh for kg r a radio thanks so much

1321
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,440
uh we'll be back next week with melanie

1322
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:24,880
uh kirkendorfer

1323
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:28,160
kirkdorfer from the um

1324
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,839
from the uh great barrington ufo signing

1325
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:33,359
the berkshires ufo

1326
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,349
and here we continue on here

1327
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:45,359
so uh we're just gonna keep rolling here

1328
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,480
on youtube

1329
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:48,400
and uh so continue on i'm sorry i

1330
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,440
interrupted you had to make that break

1331
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:54,240
yeah so this was a this was a close

1332
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,359
sighting there's been two

1333
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,680
structured objects that flew over us

1334
00:52:02,829 --> 00:51:59,119
three times

1335
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:02,839
made three over overflights now any

1336
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,319
skeptic

1337
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,839
would say you know why would this be

1338
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,680
happening to you maybe you just seen

1339
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:10,079
airplanes

1340
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,520
now you tell me in the middle of the

1341
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:13,359
ocean thousand miles offshore

1342
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,240
what kind of interest with any kind of

1343
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,400
airplane that's carrying passengers or a

1344
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,559
military crew

1345
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:22,880
be having in a blacked out little small

1346
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,000
sailboat and how to find it at night

1347
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:28,079
right i've talked i've talked to the

1348
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,599
coast guard expert

1349
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:32,079
about the very question i asked him how

1350
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,359
would you if somebody's

1351
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,960
in trouble how would you find a little

1352
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:37,280
boat at night so it's impossible

1353
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,680
yeah i mean you have what you have the

1354
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:41,599
anchor lights i mean what else you r you

1355
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,000
don't

1356
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:44,720
run lights or do you run lights or if

1357
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,549
if you see a ship coming you see uh once

1358
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,000
you reach the 38th

1359
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,040
then you enter the area a shipping lane

1360
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:57,119
where tankers and freighters go

1361
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,160
you want to get out of the shipping

1362
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:00,720
lanes yeah almost like a highway yes

1363
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,760
this is where you would

1364
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,760
uh have your lights on or if you see a

1365
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:05,359
ship because i don't have that much

1366
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:08,559
uh uh battery power power i i have to i

1367
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,680
have to uh

1368
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,760
you have to run the motorcycle yeah yeah

1369
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:12,960
right

1370
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:15,280
so how would you find a blacked out sail

1371
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,240
sailboat

1372
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:18,319
and have the energy and desire to

1373
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:19,520
descend from 50

1374
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,520
000 feet to look for some little

1375
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:22,960
sailboat at night

1376
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,720
yeah you know it doesn't make any sense

1377
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,240
so this is something that could find a

1378
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:30,000
boat at night

1379
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:33,760
and make these overpasses and then

1380
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,800
once this once uh once i had the videos

1381
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,960
analyzed by jeffrey sonia and blown up

1382
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:40,800
you could see this uh

1383
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:44,319
this shape of a horseshoe

1384
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,520
looking from below uh

1385
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:49,520
that roughly matches the object of

1386
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:50,559
itself

1387
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,950
the recording happened two days later

1388
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,160
after after the

1389
00:54:01,589 --> 00:54:00,640
after the overflights so there's no way

1390
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,599
for me to know

1391
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:03,680
uh that this would show up as a

1392
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,079
horseshoe

1393
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,040
from the video you know this was year

1394
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:11,520
2000 i never even seen a computer i

1395
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:12,240
never

1396
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:17,440
2002 i believe how to

1397
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,400
how to make a email you know nothing

1398
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:24,880
no bankrupt computers to fake anything

1399
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,599
and uh

1400
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,319
mufan has seen my tapes reporters in san

1401
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,480
francisco have seen my tapes

1402
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:33,119
so it is what it is you know how would

1403
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:34,319
the horseshoe

1404
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:37,040
show up on a video or something that i

1405
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:37,920
already put in

1406
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:41,920
uh in my log at sea you know

1407
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,480
so right we've had some we've had some

1408
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,559
questions pop up here in chat

1409
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:48,720
um do you want me to get to them or do

1410
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,720
you want to continue on

1411
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,040
go ahead you can also all right here's

1412
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,880
here's one

1413
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,040
uh from rob wants to know if you can

1414
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:01,280
describe one of the lights in detail

1415
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,640
was the light at a point an orb an oval

1416
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:06,160
i know you mentioned the horseshoe thing

1417
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,760
but

1418
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,520
in particular when you were seeing these

1419
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,119
lights what did

1420
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,040
did they look structured in any type of

1421
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,480
way

1422
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,319
the horses were structured objects there

1423
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:18,079
was some some kind of a vehicle yeah

1424
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,440
that definitely wasn't there was no

1425
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:21,119
wings you know there was no underbelly

1426
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,240
there just is

1427
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:24,160
just this strange light that there were

1428
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,280
like three

1429
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,440
three lights leading towards it towards

1430
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:29,920
the stomach there was a big square one

1431
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:32,960
and uh the four of lights up front four

1432
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:36,240
uh very kind of like a dimish damage but

1433
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,880
they were red

1434
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:38,319
they were not really bright but you

1435
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,000
could see it was something like uh

1436
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:43,200
flying over us you know uh other other

1437
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:45,440
objects that we saw was just a regular

1438
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:48,720
yellow yellow circle like orbs

1439
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:51,760
or orb type of a thing okay it was much

1440
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:52,799
higher in the sky

1441
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:55,280
even and then sometimes it would flash

1442
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,319
sometimes it would just

1443
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,880
be almost like the camera flash of

1444
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:01,040
camera flash cube coming from the sky

1445
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,400
and usually those are the ones that

1446
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:04,799
disappeared or the ones that i

1447
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,599
made contact with lightspin and one of

1448
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,000
them i i was able to capture

1449
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,319
uh miss antennas to disappear you know

1450
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,799
that was the most fascinating one later

1451
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,640
now i'm going to play this little clip i

1452
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:18,079
know you said you can't see anything

1453
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,720
that i'm

1454
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,240
playing on this side so if you hang on

1455
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:22,160
just one second i'm going to play this

1456
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:34,309
now that clip just showed something

1457
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:36,160
coming in and out but you couldn't and

1458
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,720
it kind of

1459
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,240
moved funny but it could have been the

1460
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,000
motion of the boat um

1461
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,760
that was a clip you had sent me earlier

1462
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,400
that said orca something like that

1463
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,640
oh okay yeah the motion of the boat yes

1464
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,000
the motion of the camera but not the

1465
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:50,079
light itself the light disappears itself

1466
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:50,640
you know

1467
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,760
yeah the light disappeared yeah this

1468
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,359
this is about jeffrey sanyo

1469
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:57,599
mufon investigator whom i sent all these

1470
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,799
things

1471
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,640
found very anomalous said he said that

1472
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:02,480
nothing could disappear like this

1473
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,119
at this velocity because the speed of

1474
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,760
the video frame is 1 30th of a second

1475
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:09,680
in one frame it's here the next next

1476
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:11,440
frame is totally gone

1477
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,720
and what we did he sent me the report

1478
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,160
and he didn't really develop much

1479
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:18,880
into it other than other than tommy's

1480
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,520
anomalous

1481
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:22,160
he thought you know a skeptic would say

1482
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,799
this is

1483
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,680
merely going behind a reagan set but he

1484
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,040
couldn't see the rigging and he

1485
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:29,680
said he can't be explained otherwise so

1486
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:30,400
uh

1487
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,839
wanted to know where this thing

1488
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:35,040
disappeared

1489
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,799
but this happened later after our

1490
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,559
arrival

1491
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,799
yeah yeah so i want you to continue on

1492
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:41,920
your journey

1493
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,040
you're heading back towards san

1494
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:47,270
that's where you were you were you were

1495
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:53,349
yeah so we had a couple of settings like

1496
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,000
that you know

1497
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:55,920
you know by this time we were almost

1498
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,640
like a ufo hunting team we were

1499
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,960
scanning the skies but not colors were

1500
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,480
ready camera was ready you know but

1501
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:04,160
what's next you know what what

1502
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,440
what's going to happen next you know are

1503
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,680
they going to land or i've never seen

1504
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,000
anything coming out of a water

1505
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:12,400
uh none of those type of reports you

1506
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,040
know

1507
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:15,440
what time in a distance i've seen a a

1508
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:16,160
green

1509
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,720
distance closer to the surface of

1510
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:23,119
the ocean but it was the only time so i

1511
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:24,160
don't know i don't know if there's

1512
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,359
anything below us or

1513
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:27,520
coming out of water going into the water

1514
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,880
nothing like that

1515
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,880
nothing really close those horseshoes

1516
00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:32,160
were the closest

1517
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,839
uh closest over flats or something

1518
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:37,359
structured

1519
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:40,880
but about 11 days

1520
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:43,839
prior to our arrival something extremely

1521
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:44,799
anomalous

1522
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:48,000
happened that at that time i really

1523
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:48,480
couldn't

1524
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:55,520
proved to be a paramount

1525
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,270
a strange dream that my friend donald

1526
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,280
had

1527
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:05,040
i was asleep and he was steering the

1528
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:06,720
boat and this happened

1529
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:09,839
very late at night between

1530
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:13,839
july 26th and 27th

1531
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:16,079
i was asleep and about five in the

1532
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:18,160
morning it was my turn

1533
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:21,520
to take over i wake up and make some

1534
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:22,319
coffee and

1535
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,119
uh he said he had a headache his eyes

1536
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,960
were bloodshot he looked really tired

1537
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,880
and he said he had a headache and two

1538
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,440
spasms on his scalp

1539
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,760
you say well you just just go below and

1540
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:35,680
get some sleep to take an aspirin you

1541
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,720
know and uh

1542
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,480
sleep as long as you want to i'll be

1543
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,240
okay you know whenever you wake up

1544
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:42,160
get ready to eat something and you can

1545
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,280
take over

1546
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:45,520
so okay thank you you know he went to

1547
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,839
sleep i was steering and

1548
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:50,400
it was very chilly night and towards the

1549
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,920
towards the morning of course

1550
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,760
you get warmer you start taking your

1551
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:55,440
your jackets off and

1552
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:59,440
it was a very nice morning he uh

1553
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,520
he wakes up you know kind of looking

1554
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:03,359
staring at the space and

1555
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,400
said nev i had this strange dream

1556
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:08,640
i said well that's funny can you tell me

1557
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,599
about it later

1558
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,839
i said okay let me have some coffee so

1559
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,520
you know it took a while you know kind

1560
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:15,040
of moping around

1561
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:16,400
said well can you tell me about the

1562
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,880
dream he said well

1563
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,960
i dreamt that i was back home you know

1564
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,440
back home in my town lukakai

1565
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:26,640
northern arizona four corners area

1566
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,079
near canyon de shea a small community

1567
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,400
uh i'm standing at night to be my

1568
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:34,160
brother on this little hill near our

1569
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,599
property

1570
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,920
uh close to our hogan a traditional

1571
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:39,119
navajo home a

1572
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,319
sighted made of logs usually

1573
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,240
usually they throw a dirt for the roof

1574
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:45,599
and it's kind of like almost like a

1575
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:46,400
little ufo

1576
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:49,440
insides the doors always point to the

1577
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,000
rising sun

1578
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,880
in my dream i'm standing with my brother

1579
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:56,400
if you see this huge

1580
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,079
object full of lights coming down

1581
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:03,200
and flying over our town it was almost

1582
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,079
like a little

1583
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:07,440
uh advertising lights in new york

1584
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,200
you know bulbs changing uh flashing

1585
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:13,599
and it flew over the town and he

1586
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:15,920
ascended into the clouds slowly

1587
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,160
and my brother in in his dream his

1588
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:20,480
brothers passed away subsequently

1589
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:24,079
at age 50. my brother said

1590
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,520
he had to go away and look for this

1591
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,760
cat's eyes

1592
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:29,760
so well it's a strange dream don you

1593
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:32,319
know this is really weird you know uh

1594
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,720
but at the same time his dream

1595
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:38,480
kind of made me think of the similar

1596
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:46,870
and in this dream my personal dream

1597
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,760
i was alone in my apartment and i'm

1598
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,280
dreaming

1599
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,359
was a very beautiful dream the skies

1600
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:54,960
were blue and uh

1601
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:56,559
all of a sudden the sky exploded with

1602
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,760
ufos there were saucers there were

1603
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:01,920
there were balls there were rockets

1604
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,720
there were these little things and

1605
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:06,240
all of a sudden they're all moving away

1606
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:07,760
in my dream and this

1607
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:11,119
type of crownish very vaguely shaped

1608
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:11,760
object

1609
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:13,599
almost like a mother ship is coming in

1610
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:16,559
my dream and so wow look at that

1611
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:19,039
the next thing i know i'm uh i'm

1612
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:20,799
realizing i'm trying to wake up but

1613
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:21,599
again i'm in

1614
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:25,280
sleep paralysis i can't move

1615
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,480
but i see somebody's my eyes are opening

1616
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,799
and i realize in my room i'm in my room

1617
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:32,480
it's very dark pitch black

1618
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:35,039
but i can't move and there's somebody

1619
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:36,880
standing in in a hallway

1620
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:39,599
very close to my bed and looking at me

1621
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:40,160
you know even

1622
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,760
when you wake up and you had that kind

1623
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,960
of a strange feeling that somebody's

1624
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,119
staring at you

1625
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:47,440
even even if it was a person staring at

1626
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:48,880
you it was kind of a little scary you

1627
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:49,680
know

1628
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:56,880
like a like a torso it made a move

1629
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,200
pointed upward and it just uh almost

1630
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:01,520
looked like a ghost it very dark

1631
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,480
it uh it sailed right to the ceiling so

1632
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:06,240
his dream kind of reminded me of my

1633
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:08,559
dream this is weird i think i might have

1634
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:09,839
seen this uh

1635
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,920
crown type of thing before i i don't

1636
01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:13,200
know weird

1637
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:15,039
don i have to ask you something would

1638
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:16,319
you please

1639
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:20,480
our logbook before you forget it

1640
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,400
said okay okay give me give me a minute

1641
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:24,000
so you had some coffee

1642
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,000
you sat down and took out a notebook and

1643
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:28,240
a green and yellow paper

1644
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:31,760
a yellow pen and a

1645
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:34,000
ballpoint pen and this is what he drew

1646
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:34,960
this is the original

1647
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:37,119
i think you have a you have there in a

1648
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:38,799
picture too

1649
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:41,599
oh yes i have that yeah yeah this

1650
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:48,230
yeah july 27th this is exactly from the

1651
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:50,000
from the log here yeah it's a whole

1652
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:52,000
little book i've got it right up on the

1653
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:53,039
screen here

1654
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,720
i know you can't see it but here it is

1655
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:56,079
yep yeah

1656
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:58,079
it took a little over a minute to do it

1657
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:59,440
very quickly you know almost like

1658
01:04:02,309 --> 01:04:00,480
automatic you know

1659
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:02,319
it was it turned out to be something oh

1660
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:04,240
nice kind of design you said wow this is

1661
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:05,599
weird you know you show this little

1662
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,559
crown

1663
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,720
flying towards the sky and he's outside

1664
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:11,280
of his hogan looking up

1665
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,559
uh uh on the other other part of our

1666
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:16,000
diagram is she shows a

1667
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:19,119
a circle with lines and some dots and uh

1668
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:23,200
uh something crownish on top of it

1669
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:26,400
so in his dream this this was supposed

1670
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:27,920
to be an entire object

1671
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:30,319
the bottom part he put he says this was

1672
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:30,960
a bottom

1673
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,799
says right on there it was supposed to

1674
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:34,799
go underneath it underneath that

1675
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:38,240
crown looking thing so this is weird

1676
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,910
uh and i went underneath the bridge i

1677
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:47,440
mean i have all these things in video

1678
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:49,440
this is all very fine

1679
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:52,880
uh an anchor of richardson bay

1680
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:55,520
in marin county yeah san francisco i

1681
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:56,559
used to live

1682
01:05:01,510 --> 01:05:00,079
in marin county here yeah i think you

1683
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,520
mentioned that yeah

1684
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:03,520
beautiful area very expensive oh yeah a

1685
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,640
lot many are

1686
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:06,559
many many artists there you know made

1687
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,680
sailors

1688
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:09,760
yeah and it's a very cold summer over

1689
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:11,920
there it blows like hell

1690
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:16,079
right so uh after we uh

1691
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:19,760
again regain our land legs and uh

1692
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:22,640
we wanted to uh do something about the

1693
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:24,319
sightings i mean but this time i had a

1694
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:25,760
couple of good videos and

1695
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:28,960
even more more material in my logbook

1696
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:33,270
you're back to civilization you know

1697
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:34,960
fantastic

1698
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,760
uh again i was looking for mufa and i

1699
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:39,599
was looking for any kind of organization

1700
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,960
that could help me and i really couldn't

1701
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:42,640
find anything in yellow pages in san

1702
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:43,359
francisco

1703
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:47,599
local so so maybe some reporter would

1704
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:49,039
know something

1705
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:51,760
so i i got into the phone booth and uh

1706
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:52,880
uh

1707
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:55,520
open yellow pages this newspaper this tv

1708
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:56,960
station this radio station

1709
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:00,400
nobody uh nobody wanted to talk to me

1710
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:02,240
sorry we are a chinese station we are a

1711
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:03,760
christian station oh

1712
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,240
we're we're out uh we are to lunch uh

1713
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:08,000
you gotta talk to this guy

1714
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,680
we'll be back i don't know monday or

1715
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:11,119
something like that

1716
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:13,359
so maybe about a dozen calls like that i

1717
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:14,319
would just blow

1718
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:18,079
blown off and finally a newspaper

1719
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:20,079
called marin independent journal

1720
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:21,760
answered they wanted to talk to me they

1721
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,079
did

1722
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:24,960
yeah i know the paper well yeah yeah

1723
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:25,520
yeah

1724
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,920
and they referred me to let me speak to

1725
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:29,039
a lady named

1726
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:32,400
uh jane fucher jane futcher fucher

1727
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:33,440
something like that

1728
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:35,839
and we made an appointment she said uh

1729
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,640
we couldn't come

1730
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,400
you can send a photographer to take your

1731
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:40,640
pictures on a boat but she couldn't come

1732
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:43,760
out of a security reasons okay fine so

1733
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:45,599
can you come to the you come to our

1734
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:47,359
offices so sure

1735
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:49,039
so we made an appointment we bought what

1736
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:50,880
spent there and it was fantastic we gave

1737
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:51,280
it

1738
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:53,839
we gave her the full report we showed

1739
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,160
him all this materials and

1740
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:58,160
she took the story down and she referred

1741
01:07:02,309 --> 01:06:59,280
me to uh

1742
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:02,319
refer me to peter davenport

1743
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:06,400
about him so he was the first ufologist

1744
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:07,920
that i talked to

1745
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:11,200
uh i promised to send him the copy of

1746
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:13,520
the tapes once i made him

1747
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,920
and uh uh copy from my notes

1748
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,680
and he told me once she got to phoenix

1749
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:21,599
because

1750
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,200
we didn't know what to do we're going to

1751
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,799
go back to san diego what do we do with

1752
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:26,160
the boat you know we can't leave it

1753
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:27,280
anchored here

1754
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:30,240
so within a week or so we decided to uh

1755
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:31,599
to leave it in storage

1756
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,480
in alameda across the naval shipyard

1757
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:36,079
over there there's a little

1758
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,200
boatyard so i made arrangements and

1759
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:41,760
the boat was yeah yeah it was there for

1760
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,640
about two

1761
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,400
years or so before we took it back to

1762
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:46,640
mexico for a second time

1763
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,400
in 2003. so

1764
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,880
after some time after this meeting with

1765
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:54,400
reporters

1766
01:08:02,549 --> 01:07:58,400
we uh we took a bus back to

1767
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:02,559
to phoenix so just before you move on

1768
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:05,119
i have the uh the article the marin

1769
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:06,480
independent journal

1770
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:09,359
article up on the screen so were you

1771
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:10,000
after this

1772
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:13,119
article came out did did this go into

1773
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:13,520
any

1774
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:17,920
of the story

1775
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:20,960
no no calls no no

1776
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:23,920
no efforts to reach me at all wow that's

1777
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:25,040
unreal

1778
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,880
yeah i think through mufan

1779
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:30,799
i don't really recall how it happened i

1780
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,000
i we got in

1781
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:34,960
in phoenix once we were in phoenix fox

1782
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:35,279
10

1783
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:41,520
they wanted to talk to me i think mufon

1784
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:42,080
gave

1785
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:44,159
mufan told him about and that they sent

1786
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:45,520
a reporter

1787
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,920
to take uh to take the story down but

1788
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:49,440
before that

1789
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:52,480
uh davenport gave me a number for

1790
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:55,199
for mufon in phoenix i think a man named

1791
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:56,239
sylvester

1792
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:58,239
was a director of arizona director at

1793
01:09:02,870 --> 01:08:59,839
that time

1794
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:02,880
and uh he gave me a number for tom

1795
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,000
king who was a videographer who actually

1796
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:09,040
recorded some uh the phoenix lights

1797
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:09,920
himself

1798
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:13,600
among other people in 1997.

1799
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:15,279
so i had the number for tom can get a

1800
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:16,719
number for mufon

1801
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:19,199
once we came back to phoenix see uh don

1802
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,239
had to go back home

1803
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,319
you know we waited for a couple of days

1804
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,480
for mufan to send people over to take

1805
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:25,679
the report then he went

1806
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:27,120
i stayed in phoenix because that's where

1807
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:30,400
i lived and uh that went back to lukach

1808
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:33,839
so uh mufan sent out a team three-member

1809
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:34,159
team

1810
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,640
led by the name by a man named jim kelly

1811
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,799
and he brought along judy warrens and

1812
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:42,799
jason ingraham

1813
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:45,359
judy warren was later to be a state

1814
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:46,880
state director arizona

1815
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:50,319
after semester and

1816
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,440
jim kelly was a main investigator so

1817
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,600
we filled out their form you know they

1818
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:57,199
listened to us we gave them the copy of

1819
01:10:05,990 --> 01:09:57,600
the

1820
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:06,000
i talked to ingraham and uh warrens

1821
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,360
talked to don

1822
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:09,840
so after a couple of days uh don goes

1823
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,560
back home

1824
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,080
i stayed in phoenix that was it you know

1825
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:14,800
then later on the fox news came and

1826
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:17,840
that story came about you know they made

1827
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:20,719
a very nice little report maybe a

1828
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,960
10-12 minute report uh but they left me

1829
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,719
they left me office and the guy seen a

1830
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:28,480
venus and this was just nothing else but

1831
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:29,040
venus

1832
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:31,040
that he captured the only show they won

1833
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:32,880
one sub

1834
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,760
so i i'm the strange guy in the boat

1835
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:37,600
they see his venus that's about it

1836
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:40,239
with some uh encounters of the third

1837
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:41,920
kind music in the background

1838
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:46,239
that was it uh yeah of course yeah

1839
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:49,280
so this time i i kind of uh but

1840
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:50,719
i was really intrigued with this and i

1841
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:53,040
wanted to continue investigating

1842
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:55,679
but uh on september 20th something

1843
01:11:02,709 --> 01:10:59,760
strange happened in lukaku

1844
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,719
actually on september 23rd i get a call

1845
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:04,719
from don

1846
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:08,080
it says guess what neb i said what

1847
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:12,080
i saw you foreign

1848
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:13,840
but this time i'm a skeptic you know you

1849
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:15,440
know what are you talking about

1850
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:18,960
what you're for yeah me and my uh uh

1851
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,719
niece and some other people we've seen

1852
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:22,080
the ufo

1853
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,360
and i took a picture of it i said no

1854
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:29,199
are you serious yes i took three

1855
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,719
pictures

1856
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:32,480
with watts and i have a little i have a

1857
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,280
little kodak throwaway camera

1858
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,280
i said okay uh can you can you please

1859
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:39,120
get this to me somehow you know okay can

1860
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,000
you made it or

1861
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,320
well i'll come down in a few days i said

1862
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:44,400
okay good come down for a visit

1863
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:47,920
so he comes down uh he he brings me the

1864
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:48,880
uh

1865
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:51,760
the camera and i took it to walgreens

1866
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,560
myself

1867
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,480
to have the video to have the pictures

1868
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:56,400
developed there were three pictures that

1869
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:57,520
came out

1870
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:59,280
and one was totally blurry i couldn't do

1871
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:00,960
anything with that about two of them

1872
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:03,280
you could see a little a little whiter

1873
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:05,199
spot there in a distance

1874
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:08,320
in approximately the same location

1875
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,600
as his dream was later on i found that

1876
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,040
other people had seen it some

1877
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:15,679
some knew him some of her friends some

1878
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:16,800
some were not

1879
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:19,679
they had seen a similar type of object

1880
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,800
coming at night like

1881
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,480
lighting up and falling down near the

1882
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:24,400
mountain something anomalous some

1883
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:26,719
strange lights that would blink out or

1884
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,560
make a flying leaf maneuver

1885
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:32,640
so something was going on and i was

1886
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:35,520
fascinated by this picture

1887
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:38,560
i i took it to uh to tom king you know

1888
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,040
first uh don told me that the sighting

1889
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,920
lasted for 40 minutes

1890
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:45,600
he noticed he's standing in over the

1891
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:48,239
mountains way up high in the sky

1892
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:56,229
uh and he said he looked at it through

1893
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:57,760
binoculars

1894
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:59,920
he called out to his niece her name was

1895
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,760
nina he they both came out

1896
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:04,080
and they looked at the binoculars and

1897
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:04,800
according

1898
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,880
to both both him and her it was

1899
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:08,640
something glass-like

1900
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:12,480
or metallic uh reflecting lots of light

1901
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:16,080
off of it and they said it lasted for 40

1902
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:17,600
minutes or so before it

1903
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:21,040
vanished so i took this

1904
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,470
sailing videos tom king

1905
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,480
and he put it in his back of computers

1906
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:32,000
and he said i'll look into this

1907
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:33,600
and say what about it's just a little

1908
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:35,040
white dot and i said well don't worry

1909
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,159
about it i can

1910
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,239
my computer can find out what it is uh

1911
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:40,080
uh what kind of values

1912
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:43,040
is what he said you can read the values

1913
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:43,520
of

1914
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:46,640
was no

1915
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:50,800
this is some kind of a ufo he said

1916
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,239
there are no wings at all uh now

1917
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:56,239
lukachuka is a very isolated little

1918
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,960
community nothing flies there

1919
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,120
i think uh there's a video in youtube

1920
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,679
which shows a helicopter came a military

1921
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:05,440
military helicopter came once and there

1922
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,120
was a big event so there's no

1923
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,199
helicopters there's no balloons

1924
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:11,920
there's no uh tourist flights they're

1925
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:14,080
all over candy shay and there's a small

1926
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,679
airport in chin league

1927
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,320
uh where they send that flight sit out

1928
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:19,920
once in a while to uh

1929
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:22,080
to show the canyon but nothing over

1930
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:23,679
lukake which is good

1931
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:26,880
30 miles or so north from there

1932
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,040
only thing that you could see at night

1933
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,920
or daytime are the jetliners you know

1934
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:33,840
and nothing nothing would stop not even

1935
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:36,560
a balloon would stop in the distance

1936
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:40,000
and stand there for 40 minutes

1937
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,760
you know can you think of something that

1938
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:43,679
could just stop and stand there

1939
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:52,229
that was weird so tom king couldn't

1940
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:54,239
couldn't identify there's anything uh

1941
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,790
it could be explained so

1942
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,880
it took four years for me to to figure

1943
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,719
out what what really happened you know

1944
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,719
so in the meantime

1945
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,800
i was already fascinated and uh through

1946
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,320
mufan

1947
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:14,719
i met this uh real great lady her name

1948
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:15,760
was a uh

1949
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:18,880
ruth mckinley hover she was a it was a

1950
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:22,239
she was a professional psychologist and

1951
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:24,159
she was connected with a group called

1952
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:24,800
peer

1953
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,920
people who were interested in abductions

1954
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,679
you know now i don't remember any kind

1955
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:33,120
of an abduction

1956
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:34,880
missing time anything like that that

1957
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,960
happened during this voyage or you know

1958
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:40,560
i started connecting the childhood

1959
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:42,400
episode to something that could be

1960
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:44,960
anomalous maybe

1961
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:49,120
but i couldn't piece things together you

1962
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:50,080
know

1963
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:53,679
so uh i started going through mufa and i

1964
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:55,199
went to first meeting at the second

1965
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:57,440
meeting and i met a lot of people i even

1966
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:58,880
met bud hopkins

1967
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:01,840
you know oh wow yeah i decided yeah i

1968
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,800
met bud hopkins

1969
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:05,360
we chatted for about 15 minutes in san

1970
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,159
francisco

1971
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:09,199
because my boat was still there and uh

1972
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:12,159
ruth decided to meet us there they had

1973
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:12,719
some

1974
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:15,199
a huge uh international congress over

1975
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:16,960
there a number of people showed up

1976
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:19,920
linda molten was there i think about

1977
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,800
hopkins and

1978
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:22,800
ruth introduced me to hopkins you know

1979
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,640
it was very memorable

1980
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,719
uh you know very memorable moment in my

1981
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:28,560
life

1982
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:30,960
but that by that time i decided to write

1983
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:32,480
this little book name named

1984
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,000
uh followed in which i completely

1985
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:38,320
laid out all these events perfectly you

1986
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:40,239
know from the notes from the memories

1987
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:41,679
from the videos

1988
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:46,400
i really really investigated very hard

1989
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,719
so at this time at that time actually

1990
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,159
i didn't know what to think about the

1991
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:54,320
phenomena you know i just took a popular

1992
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:55,360
culture type of

1993
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,640
idea that this is something

1994
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:58,320
extraterrestrial somebody coming here

1995
01:17:03,189 --> 01:16:59,440
off and on

1996
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:03,199
uh i watch some shows i watch the movies

1997
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:04,560
i talk to people i

1998
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,520
uh i i didn't know what kind of decision

1999
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:09,600
to bring about this

2000
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:12,960
but i wanted to investigate further

2001
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:16,480
so uh knowing that root was very good

2002
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:20,239
uh in investigator in his

2003
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,640
her own group people who are so-called

2004
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:24,719
experiencers

2005
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:27,440
uh who had some kind of anomalous

2006
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,320
experiences

2007
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,440
abductions visitations spiritual

2008
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:33,360
upheavals who knows what

2009
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:37,360
so i i decided to undergo hypnosis with

2010
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:43,110
so i came to her office one afternoon

2011
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:44,640
uh you know i didn't think i was going

2012
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:46,320
to get hypnotized you know this is not

2013
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:46,960
you know

2014
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:50,800
you can you can try

2015
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:53,840
yeah so i uh she relaxed me pretty good

2016
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,080
you know i started drifting off and

2017
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:58,320
she said you guys are slowly sailing and

2018
01:18:02,630 --> 01:17:59,280
uh

2019
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:02,640
the sky

2020
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:05,679
and uh tell me what happens you know

2021
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:08,800
what what's going on here you know and

2022
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,960
i'm trying to follow her voice i'm

2023
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:12,560
seeing myself in a boat

2024
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:14,800
pretty soon i'm losing her voice it's

2025
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:17,040
almost like in the background

2026
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:20,880
and i find myself floating

2027
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:24,080
i'm in the air somewhere in the air

2028
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:27,520
it's night and and i see darling there's

2029
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:29,199
ocean there's sea below me

2030
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:31,679
but i can't see mira i can see the boat

2031
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,880
where where am i doing in the sky

2032
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:36,560
next thing i know i see the saucer

2033
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,320
sticking out of a cloud

2034
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:42,159
halfway and there's some little yellow

2035
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:43,679
light right at the bottom of it

2036
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:46,320
almost like oscillating so what is this

2037
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:47,840
saucer doing here you know

2038
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:50,239
what's going on and i'm kind of like

2039
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:52,480
floating towards it

2040
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:55,199
next thing i know boom i'm uh in some

2041
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,199
kind of a little

2042
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:59,679
crapped quarters like a little beige

2043
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:02,239
type of room like a small car

2044
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,679
a yellowish wall around me and uh

2045
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:07,679
pretty soon this is transforming it's

2046
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:09,280
trying to transform into some kind of a

2047
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:15,590
black ceiling above me and a green neon

2048
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:16,080
light

2049
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:20,480
and i kind of feel some kind of

2050
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:22,640
commotion around me something's going on

2051
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:24,400
and by this time i almost had a heart

2052
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:25,679
attack i mean i i

2053
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:28,159
stopped you know i couldn't breathe i

2054
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:30,480
was very excited and she started nab

2055
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:33,040
relaxed relaxed i was screaming you know

2056
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:34,880
she brought me out of he said you know

2057
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:37,280
your mind doesn't want to go there so

2058
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:38,719
okay

2059
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:42,400
but within a week or so

2060
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:45,120
i get the report from jeffrey sanyo

2061
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:46,800
about the light that disappears this is

2062
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,080
anomalous

2063
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:50,400
this is all he said only thing you can

2064
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:51,280
see

2065
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:54,880
video you showed the thing disappearing

2066
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:55,600
you know

2067
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,280
you can watch the video a thousand times

2068
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:59,199
over this is all it's ever going to do

2069
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:02,400
okay so it didn't he didn't

2070
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:04,159
enlarge it he didn't tell me much about

2071
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:05,600
does that they can tell me other than

2072
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:08,400
nothing can disappear it is fast

2073
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,520
so okay what do we do with this

2074
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,760
so who could help me nobody was

2075
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:15,520
available i i tried to look to some

2076
01:20:18,629 --> 01:20:16,880
other people who helped me nobody had

2077
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:18,639
the time everybody avoided me you know

2078
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,520
nobody

2079
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:21,760
everybody delayed i took a couple

2080
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:22,719
investigators

2081
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:26,239
in phoenix no help so what do i do with

2082
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:27,840
this i want to know where the hell this

2083
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:28,480
thing went

2084
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,040
what is it you know i heard that things

2085
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,440
could be blown up or cleaned up and uh

2086
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:36,480
let's see what this is so i decided i

2087
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:37,040
found one

2088
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:39,199
studio in phoenix with the video

2089
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:40,880
equipment uh

2090
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:43,440
they didn't do any kind of a ufo and

2091
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:44,800
analysis per se

2092
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:46,480
they could just enlarge and stop the

2093
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:48,480
frames and i asked him can you stop the

2094
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:48,960
frame

2095
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:51,280
can you clean it up so yeah we could do

2096
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:53,280
that so it cost me about three hundred

2097
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,520
dollars you know for maybe an hour or so

2098
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:57,840
visitation to the studio they stopped

2099
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,560
the frame

2100
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:00,560
i said please clean it up blow it up

2101
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:03,040
make it big and see what it looks like

2102
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:05,840
and it shows a saucer i think you have

2103
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,360
the picture there

2104
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:09,440
oh this is the uh the real bright

2105
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:11,840
picture

2106
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:15,920
raw image of it the one below it

2107
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:19,280
a little cleaner it's the saucer it came

2108
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,679
yeah i'm gonna have to look for that

2109
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:23,040
because i don't remember seeing that

2110
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:23,920
picture but

2111
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:26,400
but continue on i'm gonna open my email

2112
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:27,360
and take a look

2113
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:31,040
but go ahead yeah yeah so it showed a

2114
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:32,239
saucer

2115
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,600
and uh we promoted the video to where it

2116
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:37,840
disappeared there's nothing

2117
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:40,560
it's just black frame and he said does

2118
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:41,120
that

2119
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:44,000
tell you you know it's just this you

2120
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:44,960
know

2121
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,080
what are you gonna do with it

2122
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:50,400
well can you take this frame after it

2123
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:51,120
disappeared and

2124
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,800
blow that up clean it up

2125
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:56,880
so he gave me that there's there was

2126
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:57,840
nothing there

2127
01:22:00,870 --> 01:22:00,239
but he gave me the frame but at that

2128
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:00,880
time

2129
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:02,159
that they were put on these little

2130
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,080
floppy disks in

2131
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:07,360
2001 or so at that time there was a

2132
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,400
level of technology

2133
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,800
there was a lot of little floppy disks

2134
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:12,080
some younger people may not even

2135
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,000
remember it

2136
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:17,040
oh yeah yeah yeah floppy disks yeah you

2137
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:18,639
gave me a floppy disk or

2138
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:22,320
a saucer and a

2139
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:26,080
frame after it so i i decided to figure

2140
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:26,719
out you know

2141
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:29,040
to look into where could this go what

2142
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:30,880
why did it disappear

2143
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:33,679
so i had a good friend who was very kind

2144
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:34,560
of uh

2145
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,080
very crafty with computers he put the

2146
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:40,400
floppy disk in and we started magnifying

2147
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:40,880
it

2148
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,920
the one that was improved magnify

2149
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:46,080
magnify magnified maybe a number of

2150
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:48,159
levels of magnification becomes a little

2151
01:22:56,709 --> 01:22:49,760
white spot

2152
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:56,719
elongated like the sorcerer before

2153
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:58,960
so that you can estimate speed of the

2154
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:01,280
video frame is one thirtieth of a second

2155
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:02,960
and it moves it to velocity with speed

2156
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:05,440
of light light is light 180

2157
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:08,320
000 miles an hour so this thing from

2158
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:08,719
being

2159
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:13,679
took off at the speed of maybe

2160
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:17,120
close to 60 200 miles

2161
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:19,760
six six 200 miles an hour 1 30 to a

2162
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,550
and then later on you know i have this

2163
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:28,560
i'm saying this thing in hypnosis seeing

2164
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:31,040
it's in the sorcerer's hypnosis

2165
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:33,120
and there are reports of people seeing

2166
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,480
saucers

2167
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,880
or similar objects before during and

2168
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,080
after our

2169
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:40,719
experiences in hawaii and sailing so we

2170
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:42,880
we got some back up there too

2171
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:45,199
other people seeing it i found some some

2172
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:46,840
reports

2173
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:49,840
on

2174
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:53,600
davenport site new fork you can go back

2175
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:54,400
into

2176
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:57,520
shapes and whatnot

2177
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:59,840
and find a and find what people

2178
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:01,840
approximately have seen around that time

2179
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:03,440
so they were seen in mexico they were

2180
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:04,560
saying california

2181
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:08,239
they were seeing hawaii and uh

2182
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:11,920
uh you know interesting fascinating yeah

2183
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:15,199
hey well we're yeah

2184
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,960
but we're right about at the end of the

2185
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:18,639
show here is there anything you want to

2186
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:21,520
wrap the story up with

2187
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:23,120
well uh what i would like to say we

2188
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,440
didn't have time to get into this and i

2189
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,840
i plan to write a book about this later

2190
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:29,360
i'm already compiling a lot of

2191
01:24:34,149 --> 01:24:30,560
information

2192
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,159
uh his dream turned out to be a very

2193
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:36,480
sophisticated type of a message from

2194
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:37,760
beyond

2195
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:41,120
some other kind of intelligence that was

2196
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:43,760
activated for me finding this book about

2197
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:46,719
the pueblo shields

2198
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,320
in in which diagram that i saw

2199
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:52,800
was very similar to what he drew and

2200
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:53,679
that opened it

2201
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:55,920
opened a whole new distance for me and

2202
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:57,679
this is what i'm working on right now

2203
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,320
and getting

2204
01:25:01,910 --> 01:25:00,800
deeper into the origins of the phenomena

2205
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:01,920
itself

2206
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:05,280
okay i'm popping up the two two images

2207
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:05,840
one

2208
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,040
another shield i know you can't see any

2209
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,199
of the images but uh

2210
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:15,280
but anyway i'm popping up the images you

2211
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,880
sent me about the shield

2212
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:18,320
so they're up on the screen now the

2213
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:20,239
different the pueblo ones

2214
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,760
uh as i'm showing right now and uh yeah

2215
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:25,440
there are some similarities without a

2216
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:26,159
doubt

2217
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:29,040
yeah yeah but the problem is you know

2218
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,719
usually on this show by the time i tell

2219
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:31,679
the specific

2220
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,840
actual sighting stories but the time is

2221
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:35,280
over you know so so this is going to

2222
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:37,600
have to be a subject for a new book

2223
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:40,159
but already lots lots of intros about

2224
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,280
the phenomena

2225
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:43,360
and i personally do not think it's

2226
01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:44,560
extraterrestrial

2227
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:46,719
it just doesn't jive with anything with

2228
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:47,600
actual

2229
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:50,880
it is something paraphysical that can be

2230
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:53,600
physical and seen and recorded by many

2231
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,000
people

2232
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:56,400
at the same time there's other part to

2233
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:57,040
it

2234
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:00,800
some kind of a

2235
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,880
no time environment and they can

2236
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:04,320
actually almost like

2237
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,679
putting a suit on putting a shirt on

2238
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:09,600
climb into this technology and come out

2239
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:12,000
come to this side of existence

2240
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,600
and present themselves for a while and

2241
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,440
they go back where they're from

2242
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,719
there's a guy named that runs a radio

2243
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:20,480
show you may want to contact him at some

2244
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:21,600
point

2245
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:24,960
his name is paul eno and he's in

2246
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:27,120
the rhode island area the massachusetts

2247
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:28,320
rhode island area

2248
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:31,280
he does a show every sunday um yeah paul

2249
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:31,840
you know

2250
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:34,320
he kind of has the same theory along

2251
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:36,080
with what you're saying here right now

2252
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:39,600
uh he he he uh he thinks that um

2253
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:42,639
there a lot of things are related but

2254
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,600
almost like a uh another dimension or

2255
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:47,440
something like that going on

2256
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:50,000
but uh but anyway i i thank you so much

2257
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,800
for uh

2258
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,400
for your patience i'm really glad we

2259
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:54,719
worked out the uh the bugs earlier we

2260
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:55,280
got you

2261
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:56,480
on the show i didn't think that was

2262
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:58,719
going to happen for a while

2263
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:01,760
but thank you so much thank you very

2264
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,800
much

2265
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:05,040
martin all right now hey um you do you

2266
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:06,719
have a website or some way people can

2267
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:09,360
get in touch with you

2268
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:11,520
no you can contact me on facebook you

2269
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:13,040
know yeah okay

2270
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:15,679
requests you know as long as you're not

2271
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:19,520
a lunatic or a dangerous personal answer

2272
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:22,320
okay and uh so those of you listening to

2273
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:22,800
the

2274
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,760
name and uh

2275
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:29,840
in the show and actually the show notes

2276
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:31,280
uh more information in there

2277
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:34,800
thanks so much neb it's been a pleasure

2278
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:38,000
all right take care all right everyone

2279
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:38,880
so that's it

2280
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:41,920
for now uh thank you for uh for

2281
01:28:05,640 --> 01:27:45,040
uh joining us through this show and